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that is might be less important in a campaign have had in this election or do you think it's been the same thing for a long time and nothing new here? >> i guess it's outside of the campaign's control. all of this happens organically. it's no longer information flows top down. it is surround and it is bottom up and there is no private space anymore. so the time honor tradition in politics of going to one group and saying one thing and to another group and saying something different you can't do anymore. so when you try to do it you'll be caught and exposed and your character will be revealed and in a lot of instances it will have a negative consequence. but for sure when you look at the campaigns and what goes on, the campaigns to a fundamental degree have lost control of the ability to control the message and to control the dialogue. everybody with a facebook page, everybody with a twitter account has an outlet to weigh in and shape the narratives and the story. so the ability to navigate that raging river so to speak and go with the flow is an important aspect of a presidential campaign. >> an
president obama's former campaign manager david plouffe and steve schmidt talk about the 2012 election. both mr. playoff and mr. schmidt attended the university of delaware. >> welcome back to the national agenda program. i'm director for the center of political communication. this is the final program of the 2012 presidential election season. i'm very very pleased that all of you are here tonight and i know that's a tribute to our two guest speakers this evening. two years ago in the wake of the sha lacking president obama took in the midterm congressional elections, the architect of the president's 2008 victory david plouffe stood on this stage and predicted the electorate voting in 2012 would be more diverse and younger than it was just two years earlier. he talked then about the growing latino electorate and he predicted that the obama campaign in 2012 would have to take advantage of those demographic opportunities. plouffe also predicted on this stage that the american people in 2012 would have had enough of republicans who were like glenn beck, sara palin and rush limbaugh. we are just
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or relief that at least the election didn't end up in a situation where obama won the electoral vote but romney got the popular vote. i agree that would have been bad. it would have denied the democrat the clear mandate. the implication from the right wing seemed to have been had the republican candidate won the popular vote, there would be trouble of some undefined type. what the heck did that mean? yes, we've had to put up with this ridiculous secession petitions out there, the texas version having been signed by over 100,000 people since election day, but could the right have gone further had it been armed with a popular vote victory? there does seem to be a difference in the two parties. when al gore lost 12 years ago, he ignored his 600,000 vote victory in the popular vote. he just learned to live with the irony. republicans have carefully forgotten this bit of history, but i have real doubts those on the angry, demanding right would have been so quietly obedient to constitutional law. there's something out there on the right right now that is still uneasy with this defeat. sear
with what we think this has to do with the election and gender and sexual politics are kind of in this larger context. >> i think it does. one of the things that is interesting about the president, coming out the freedom to marry or what seemed like the vice president accidentally coming out in a way. [laughter] but what's really to your point, while these things are very important and i think that they have a clear role in places like maryland where the marriage referendums on the ballot. the timing was the backlash about what i care about. and that happened early to get the, you know, what is going to happen when my one-man or support of lgt whites come out, how will this impact the election? there was an early test and we got a chance to get those issues out of the way so that they were not the things we were talking about. >> it was almost as though the last election was one in which barack obama and his very embodiment challenged about blacks and every time he referred to the single mother, they would blink and say oh, it's not a black single mother, to white single mot
obama, so they're blaming that liberal romney. that northeastern liberal crowd. texas senator-elect ted cruz is crueler still. he accuses romney of going out there and french kissing obama. yes, they're blaming romney now. they were blaming chris christie for working with obama during hurricane sandy. now they're blaming romney for dancing with him through the election. get it? the strict orthodox side of the republican party are blaming the candidate himself for giving away their virtue. ed rendell is the former governor of pennsylvania, and msnbc political analyst. matt kibbe is the president of freedomworks. governor and matt, this is the most unusual pairing i've ever been part of, you and matt kibbe, you and the man of the northeast establishment, a moderate governor of pennsylvania. here is matt railing at the ramparts against all you represent. this should be interesting. the right fights back. since the election a lot of republicans' soul searching has focused on the need to broaden the political base of the republican party. fiscal and social conservatives are saying that's the
's filtration processes. the most recent presidential election in the united states. there was something, if you went through the republican primaries, that people were saying, well, it's not this person. it's not -- tim drops out after the iowa caucuses and michele bachmann, and newt gingrich, and you're left with a last person standing. most often, it's not about picking a winner, but it's about picking losers. this is not the person. this is not the person, and finally, you get a last person standing. >> host: process of elimination. >> guest: exactly. >> host: which is consistent in whatever organization it is? >> guest: so -- >> host: has to be? >> guest: i think it is in the sense that it's a platonic idea, a simp fied # version of reality that i think you use to build theory. start with simple and make them more complex, but if you take, say, ge. so ge is famous for the way it chooses leaders. ge, we always tell students ge is a company that works in practice, but not in theory. it doesn't seem to do anything of the things we say it should do, but it's incredibly profit l and successful.
government austerity on the rest of the country. all three collapsed in this election in 2012. now they have to decide which is strong enough to survive. my personal theory is the business wing was always the strongest and will be the surviving wing and you can hear that in the talk about loosening up on immigration. the business wing wants loser immigration rules. i think they're the one that's going to try to assert themselves but that's a cross purposes with the tea party wing that is dead set against immigration. >> don't trust the goodwill of the business community. the labor unions ought to be organizes, everybody comes in legal or not. the business community doesn't want real work, fast as they can and cheap as they can. >> to john about history. you and i remember i think back in 1988 as far back then, the democrats had won a race, this is a race, the key thing is not that you lose or lose by a lot, didn't lose by a huge amount, when you lose when you think you're going to win. that's when you rethink your party. just like dukakis, everybody thought he has it, going to work, the new
in this election. what made them think so? the polls were tight but favoring president obama. what north star was guiding the gop convincing them that the white house would be back in their hands in january? back where their hankerings were convinced it belonged? there was a darker side to this deep sense of executive entitlement, the sense they had the same assumed access to the white house as they did in the corporate dining room. it's more than a bit frighting. i have heard at least one person of the right state their pained belief or relief that at least the election didn't end up in a situation where obama won the electoral vote but romney got the popular vote. i agree that would have been bad. it would have denied the democrat the clear mandate. the implication from the right wing seemed to have been had the republican candidate won the popular vote, there would be trouble of some undefined type. what the heck did that mean? yes, we've had to put up with this ridiculous secession petitions out there, the texas version having been signed by over 100,000 people since election day, but cou
's not unique to this election or republican party. in 2004 many democrats believed he had a device on his shoulder so he would be given instructions during the debate. it's snanty. i think in our politics today both parties want to construct an image of their opponent that is not grounded in reaty. so the alternative universe. there are two. one is the romney campaign had an unrealistic view of what the electorate was going to be and that was one of the reasons they lost. certainly one of the reasons they went in the election confident. th wasn't an act. they thought they were going to win. but there is this view of barack obama. if you read and watch the conservative entertainment complex how could this guy get re-elected because we're socialist and week on terism and we're not honest and tt's not how most of america cease the president. even those that voted against us, most of them don't see us that way. so that is the problem. i think it's an underestimating of your opponent's strength and the reality of how people view them. d there was a ridicule that i think -- i don't fully unders
't quite get readers as excited? >> not as titillating. >> this is what the election was fought over and yet i have the impression that a lot of the country is yawning but really many of the journalists covering the story are oning. >> there's a story about low how the mighty are falling. privacy, security, while covering the sex. >> are you suggesting that the bigger issues are actually a bit of a shall we say figure lea le? there are bigger issues there but the problem is the fiscal cliff is extremely important. it's interesting to me that it's ben bernanke who dubbed it. i would have thought a reporter would have dubbed it. >> as a consumer of newses, when you see stories about the fiscal cliff do you go clicking off to someone else? >> no. i don't. i try. i try my darnest. i pick up the stories and think i'm going to understand it for once. it's a big, big story if you're covering economic on a national stage. i think it is getting covered a lot yochl ku. blame the media if readers are going to be clicking more or turning more to story about petraeus. >> the problem wo budget sto
to call. we do not expect to witness an election won by a landslide. some will look longingly on the time when one candidate dominated the political scene. lyndon johnson readily beat barry goldwater and richard nixon, overwhelming george mcgovern. each of those elections, one of the candidates failed to capture the spirit of the american voting public and the winner had the advantage of a weak opponent. franklin roosevelt won his second term landslide because of his huge popularity. however, in many more presidential elections, the candidates are in a pitted battle to present themselves as the one best capable of serving the country, with the winner walking off with a modest majority. there is customary wisdom, a campaign between the incumbent president and his opponent will be either a referendum on the first term of the president or a judgment of which candidate will be the better leader. is there really a difference between these two considerations? does it not boil down to judging the leadership skill of the incumbent based on his effectiveness during his first term versus the unknow
stech wents that have re-elected me. >> the pledge is for that congress. if i remember in congress in 1941, i would have signed a declaration of war against japan. the world has changed. >> but grover norquist does not think this world has changed. for republicans, who signed his pledge. >> are you going to want to exact punishment on them in two year, what? >> two things. there have been some, the folks whose pictures you put up there, some have engaged in impure thoughts. they haven't actually voted for a tax increase. we could ask president bush how his second term went after he broke his pledge. did he damage the pledge or by breaking his pledge, he lost a second term for the presidency. >> and this morning, even fox and friends were getting all philosophical about till death do us part pledges. >> i think you get into really difficult situations in relationships in general when you make people sign on the dotted line and then you crucify them if they decide to change their line. i'll bring it back to marriage. marriages don't work when one or both parties stand on both sides o
the church has its own processes, it don't elections, hard for some to understand and we have to respect individual institutions and the decision they make but it doesn't mean we should hold back and say what we think. i think it is clear in the time is right for women bishops. they need to get on with it and get with the program but you do have to respect the individual institutions when they're getting a shark fraud. >> the big country, e.u. agreed to by the last labor government, time for it costing taxpayers two billion pounds every single year. will the prime minister please confirm the forthcoming budget negotiations, he will not agree to any further reduction in this debate? >> i certainly give my hon. friend that assurance. the rebate negotiated by margaret thatcher is an incredibly important part of britain's position of making sure we get a fair deal. .. >> could i congratulate the prime minister on the wise decision to bring the gm summit. could i confirm to the prime minister the enthusiasm with which it's been received. could i ask him if he believes that it will be possible
raise tax rates. which is why he's pushing against that idea. two senate republicans up for re-election in 2014 have bucked norquist saying they are willing to let taxes ride. chambliss spoke to his hometown station. >> that pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now, but times have changed significantly. and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> on sunday south carolina senator lindsey graham also broke ranks saying the norquist pledge can no longer be a conservative litmus test. >> when you're $16 trillion in it debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if it democrats will do entitlement reform. >> but a bipartisan consensus to raise taxes grows, republicans insist they won't budge on kaepg the bush tax rates for the wealthiest at 33% and 35%. they've expressed more openness to raising revenue by eliminating individual loopholes and deductions in the tax code and believe they have public opinion on their side.
three collapsed in this election in 2012. and now they've got to decide which of them is strong enough to survive. now, my personal theory is that the business wing was always the strongest wing and will be the surviving wing. you can hear that in this talk of loosening immigration. i think they're the ones who are going to try to assert themselves, but that's across purposes with the tea party wing that is dead set against immigration. so they're all cross-purposes. >> don't trust the good will of the business community. and by the way, the labor unions ought to be jumping out there organizing everybody comes into the country legal or not. secondly, the business community doesn't want real immigration. >> they want low wages. >> they want to get them in here as fast and as cheap as they can. let me go to john about history. you and i remember i think back in 1988, the democrats had won a race. now, this is a race -- the key thing is not that you lose. they didn't lose by a huge amount. it's when you lose when you think you're going to win. that's when you rethink your party. just line
, these are noises that you made to sound conciliatory after an election, and we think back to 2009. the republicans sounded very conciliatory in the days after president obama's reelection when he was holding a high approval rating, but by april or may of his first year that that had melted away. so right now is happy talk from the republicans. we will see whether that materializes into votes. lou: such happy talk, why aren't there more smiling faces in the republican party? >> pretty unhappy talk from what i can tell, and to this point pretty frivolous. you see members of the united states senate demand is not even their negotiations, but taking a timeout to beat up on grover norquist to is some on elected activists type who was not a player in this and does not have a seat at the negotiating table, was not elected. what does he have to do with any of this? is seems to me this is the opportunity for the republicans in the house, but also to some extent in the senate to explain what they want to know what kind of entitlement cuts that will demand. instead they're beating a boy norquist. lou: we als
to do -- people at headquarters, they show up at election night, unless the guy or woman loses and they get excited about the guy near election night because they want a job. they want something. they want to be loved by the winner. then they treat the guy like a ticket at off-track betting on the floor you're stomping around on. so what happened here? is that the best case against the case being made against the republican party? it's a bunch of people just not loyal? that's what he's saying. >> absolutely, chris. look, i've been through this time and time again, that people are measuring the drapes before the first debate ends, especially if the nominee does a very good job. >> now they're measuring the crepe. >> true. mitt romney unfortunately never had any -- a loyal following, if you will, except for the folks in boston. the conservatives never trusted him. they didn't even trust him when he got the republican nomination back in the spring of this year. the point is these individuals are opportunists, both on the republican side and also on the democratic side. they don't
of catholicism endangered american freedom and back in the "leave it to beaver" days they wouldn't even elect a catholic president until j.f.k. gave a speech ensuring protestant clergy he wouldn't take orders from the pope. he would take orders from something that starts with a "p" and resembles a wrinkled old man wearing a hat. ( laughter ) ( applause ) "ask not what you can do for your country. let's just find some chicks." how do you think traditional americans would have reacted to a mormon candidate for president? seeing as in 1857, president buchanan sent the army to utah to fight them. bernie, bernie, bill, fox, you don't need to worry so much. ... what you are demonstrating is the health and vitality of america's greatest tradition-- a fevered ruling class lamenting the rise of a new et cetera nickly diverse new class one that will destroy all that is virtuous and good and bring the american experiment crashing to the ground. except you're forgetting one thing-- that is the american experiment. ap ethnic group arriving on america's shores, to be reviled, living in scallor, or if the
first interview since the election, reince priebus, chairman of the republican national committee. welcome back, mr. priebus. how are you? >> doing great, piers. how are you? >> you have been keeping your head below the paraput since the shellacking you guys took in the election. what is your reaction to the pretty poor defeat? >> well, i think that we got to look at everything that we're doing. i think that's what we have to do. i don't think you can draw any quick conclusions other than the fact that we lost and we know that. but i think in order to get back in the game, you've got to look at and do a full autopsy of what happened, what we did well, what we didn't do well, what we can do better in the next year with two governors' races coming up and two years later, then four years from now. so what we're going to do is we want to bring everyone together. leaders from across the country, to look at everything that we've done, come up with a game plan, sort of a four-year plan of what we can do in the communities, out there across america, to do a long sustained year by year cam
to be president and late on morals and and dog doing it aggressively. collapsed in this election in 2012. now they've to decide which of them is strong enough my personal theory is the business wing was always stronger wing will be will be the surviving wing. you can hear this in the talk about loosening up on immigration. the business wing wants looser rules, they are going to assert themselves but that's across purposes with the tea party wing dead set against immigration. >> don't trust the goodwill of the business community. the labor union will be jumping out there, everybody comes in legal or not. and the business community doesn't want real immigration. >> they wages. >> they don't want work permits. they want it as fast and cheap as they can. >> let's go to john about history. you and i remember in 1988 the democrats had wonrace. this is a race the key thing here not that you lose or lose by a lot. they didn't lose by a huge amou=n you think you're going to win. that's when younk your party. just like dukakis, up by 17 and loses by 8 andpy could have lost b
of palestinian leadership is authentic. the people elected the leader of the palestinian people. but the americans try to divert their attention from the central issue of how to go about making peace in the middle east, and try to concentrate just how to control one party or another, this will be a grave mistake, a disservice to peace and to the stability of this region. >> so are you personally concerned that all the dealings here appear to have been done directly with hamas, and not with a wider group to include president abbas? >> well, president abbas was not absent from these negotiations. of course, when there is a fire, the extinguisher goes directly to the cause of the fire, but it is part and parcel of the palestinian struggle against the israeli occupation. if we were only to look for the future of the cease-fire, this is another mistake will be made. we have to deal with the root cause of the conflict here. the united states of america was very right when it started -- in the latter part of president bush jr., the presidency afterwards, to give the priority to the pal
out before the election. i am against it. [laughter] liberals have been the primary practitioner and a start with ratio demagoguery when every police shooting where the black kid was treated suddenly the klan had taken over the police force. they are finn natgas of various poses and mike trayvon martin they just dusts -- disappear with the facts came out you never see the final article attention readers, that story we have been hysterical about. [laughter] actually he was muddying the copper ore he did ambush because they would disappear from the news. one of the best of my coat was called to become artist it takes a dozen cops to subdue him two weeks later he was in a comment if he dies of pneumonia say they he died as a result of police brutality. the cops are put on trial for manslaughter and are acquitted the "new york times" the editorial was remembering my goal that no justice could be done now flashed to the rosenbaum case with all sharpton who has many cameo appearances. i have forgotten everything he was involved in. [laughter] and once put on trial and there was sick a
election, the november election, it was a referendum on many republicans. some of them walked away and said, okay, we did not get the senate back, we are moving forward. our republican candidates did not win the presidency were many officers. >> people were looking round the waist deep in seeing a lot of their friends have lost. barack obama may have won the white house, but e republicans do have the house of representatives. the american public is saying that we should stick to the principal principle message that we have said. washington is running way too much money. there may be differences in want of other issues, t on this one, most americans agree that there's too much waste and fraud and abuse and let's eliminate that. cheryl: where do they fit nto this scenario? fatcat ceos, those from honeywell, allstate, do you think that that is going to be a sitive conversation? will congressional leaders listen? >> i would think that they have been listening to the ceos all along. and even lookng at wall street and main street and they all say the same thing. we want certainty out of washingto
before when the early voting numbers look good for us. >> you thought it long before the election. i know that. [laughter] >> but i was pretty sure -- >> how long? could he have one after the first debate or where the forces in motion? >> sure, absolutely he could have one. -- won. it was competitive the entire way. i think governor romney could have one up until the end. i always believe in the fundamental truth, we were building the best grass roots campaign in modern political history. we had the best candidate and the best message. >> in a way, the story of this election is the degree to which replicated the 2008 results. many people thought that 2008 was a once-in-a-lifetime result. you came very close to replicating it. i think the most fascinating statistic is african-americans in ohio, 11% of the electorate, 15% this time. you found 200,000 more african- american voters who turned out for you. mitt romney lost the state by 103,000. that was the election, right there. finding those extra african american voters. >> let me back up. we won this election because of barack obama. peopl
. after that, more about the election with president obama's campaign master. later -- the evolution of facebook. >> the average new facebook user is in india or indonesia or brazil right now. they're using a mobile phone primarily to access facebook because they have not had access to a broad band connection. in a lot of cases there is not an infrastructure media of communications you have in the u.s. and lot of americans will leave me and say facebook is great for gossiping and to see what my friends are in for lunch, but if you were to talk to somebody in the middle east, maybe, you would hear a different story -- facebook was providing access to news, people that had unique access to information that they were not able to get out otherwise. you get a much more meaty story about what facebook means to them. >> facebook engineer chris cox with an insider's view of the company -- thanksgiving day on c-span. at 2:00 -- 2:00, chief justice john roberts. later, space pioneers and nash at -- nasa officials pay amash to the first man to walk on the moon, neil armstrong. >> federer reserv
the election results and actually stay in some sense where he can get a deal. mark twain said that tom sawyer pointed out, a preacher came to town who was so good that huck finn stayed saved until tuesday. chris: hold his party together. >> and get enough republican votes. >> the unpredictable things he hasn't planned for. chris: the black swan. >> i totally agree with annette. if you had told me in 2008 that the whoufs would have been consumed with worry in the first term over whether greek pensioners would accept austerity measures in europe, i wouldn't have thought that. it's these promises that determine the course. chris: hubris? >> he said it in his press conference, overreach. every president since roosevelt has had this horrible second term. for someone who wants to be a transforming president, that may be a problem. chris: keep the supreme court at nine. when we come back, the big question of the week -- americans look for new frontiers, always have. americans look for new frontiers, always have. will future secondhand smoke affects everyone's health. it's not just irritating. it can
and the gun manufacturers have been saying oh, my god when obama is re-elected, he'll take away all your guns. hurry up and go out and buy more. [ crying ] there is a gun shop owner cope reynolds who is taking a different approach. he said if you're an obama supporter you cannot buy guns. you're not allowed to. he put a sign up on his place of business saying, if you voted for barack obama your business is not welcome. you have proven you're not responsible enough to own a firearm. well abc affiliate talked to this genius who is so responsible and figured all these things out to get his point of view on why he did this. >> the southwest shooting authority cope reynolds says the sign has exploded in popularity and gone viral. i talked to mr. reynolds on the phone and asked him why he would put such a divisive sign on his store. >> i can't age people, after they've seen what this man can do in four years how stupid do you have to be to vote again to get the same thing? it's unimaginable to me. >> cenk: probably a guy who voted for bush twice. that was a generous move. and of course not just wor
question. >> jonathan, weshld not call off the next presidential election and hand it to hillary? >> that is it. >> believe it or not. let's do that. >> even if toure was channelling nate silver right now, i would say we should hold the election. >> i disagree. i disagree, jonathan. >> no way he writes a book about hillary clinton thinking secretary of state is the high point of the career. >> right. she would win. i wouldn't say 100.0%. >> i'll give you that. >> 99.5%, that's what i say. >> anyway, jonathan allen, thank you for joining us. >>> up next, the great thanksgiving getaway. stick with us for the turkey day survival guide. we are the cycle after all. we know how to move. wasn't my daughter's black bean soup spectacular? [ man thinking ] oh, this gas. those antacids aren't working. oh no, not that, not here! [ male announcer ] antacids don't relieve gas. gas-x is designed to relieve gas. gas-x. the gas xperts. >>> do you feel this vehicle is safe for highway travel? >> yes, i do. yes, i really do. i believe that. i know it's not pretty to look at but it will get you wher
question. let's look at it this way, benjamin netanyahu is going to run for re-election in january. if he receives a solid majority, then he's going to be in a position to say to iran, if you continue i'm going to strike you some time say in march. just before he does that he's liable to ask, can we have american ships and maybe even american batteries ashore that can shoot down missiles? so we're talking about something about next march. >> that's what i'm understanding, that spring of 2013 will be an interesting time. we will keep our eyes on that time period as well as every step along the way. mr. bing west thank you very much for your analysis. >> thank you. jon: republican senators now pressing both the justice department and the f.b.i. for answers about their involvement in the investigation into general david petraeus affair with his biographer, the former cia chief resigned from his post two weeks ago as a result. catherine herridge live in washington with more of the details for us. >> thank you, good morning. in this two page letter the ranking republican on the senate judiciar
of the issues about regulation and so now that we have the election over, we have to focus on passing the sites. we take that step and we focus on them creating these new industries, i am confident we will remain the most logical relationship. other nations was are racing or were and there is a reason to be concerned. i look at it may be optimistically by saying the losses have fall. >> michael has been an optimist and he's saying we have a chance here. can i invite some pessimism >> i am fundamentally optimistic. [laughter] >> unbelievable. a budget guy. if you think about the structure of the budget which reflects the value of evidence in the political system, we have huge programs which are basically legacy programs serving all americans and those programs are crushing the discretionary accounts, where we fund national-security, education, the core investments. this allows the path to crush of the future. it is against what they talked about. we have to agree that innovation will solve health care, educational, energy. look at what fracking has done. we're not doing any of the is thing is. >
talks to us live. three weeks removed from election today and suddenly americans are being hit by an on shraugt of neon sthraut of new campaigning. a look at the white house now where press jay carney just began today's briefing. he reiterated that president obama will not sign legislation that extends lower tax rates for the wealthy in particular. that comes as top republicans in the senate draws a line in the sand saying political ideology cannot rule the negotiations. >> the only balanced approach is one that includes real and lasting reforms. so republicans have stepped out of our comfort zone, we've been clear about what we'll do and what we won't, and yet we remain at an impasse. leading us to why ask why? because a vocal minority on the hard left continues to argue from the leaders of their party from the president on down that democrats in washington should do absolutely nothing about short term, or long term spending problems. this is the thelmand louise crowd, the ones who dream about higher taxes and bigger government it will pay for, regardless of the impact on jobs
the tune. >> dana: i never liked pledges about anything. i think when you get elec elected -- right. pledge of allegiance was great. do it every day at school. only pledge is i pledge to uphold the constitution. pledge to make good decisions. if republicans get to a deal where rate goes up less than if the push tax cuts expire, then have you violated the pledge? this is getting -- >> eric: i said don't agree to higher taxes. how do you get away to ask them to sign that. when you might need it. >> bob: who the hell snore let me just tell you. he has 280 people signing -- he is not an elected official. pressure by this is phenomenal. he is right. stop this. >> bob: what does norquist do with anything? you said he isn't elect official. he is a blow-hard. people are scared and they're pushing back on the guy. about time. this guy has no right to hold up anybody. he is nothing more than guy with an office on k-street. >> what happened is he got 236 representatives in the house. 41 senators to sign on. when they signed on, a lot of them, a lot of them put that pledge right up on the wall. >> dana
reality and this is the result of an election. it is significant. it's not only sacks b.chambliss. it's lindsey graham and he is most likely going to attract a primary challenger. this is not without risk but it's significant. it's not only the senators. you have senator coburn and saying it won't be terrible to raise taxes on the rich. i think we are starting to see a shift. the key is, is it just reductions or will some be willing to raise tax rates on the wealthy? that is going to be the real sticking point and ed, you heard what congressman king said. he said, look, it all has to be on the table. then you have speaker boehner saying that he wants obama care on the table in the fiscal cliff negotiations in reality will that be on the table, obama care in. >> you know, this is a a genius move by republicans. they wanted to repeal obama care. they would have done it had mitt romney been elected and they can't do that. boehner has said repealing it entirely is a moot issue. but getting some concessions is probably the way to do it. in part because there are democrats who agree that ch
with president obama's biographers after his re-election. hear from journalists ron suskind, author of "the confidence men: wall street, washington, and the education of a president." the atlantic, aspen institute, and the newseum hosted the forum. >> we have one titled "why did he win and why did he lose"? it was about obama, and now the title is "how did he win?" we have three authors of excellent books about president obama, john alter, ron suskind, and draifd maraniss who will be interviewedded by a great biographer, and my former editor, walter isakson, and asked the question what is he really like? >> and where is the profile? >> yeah. it's only laptop. i'll get it to you after this is over. walter, thank you. >> margaret, thank you, thank you, all, great to be here. [applause] david, for those who can't figure out which is wish, david, jonathan, and that's ron. the next book -- in fact, starting in the middle with john. talking about -- i can say your title; right? >> well, it would be the first time, but that's all right. >> breaking news here. those who like the fall can,s things f
since the election. there's no doubt about it. i think john, you'd verify this. number of republicans, i've talked to a couple of united states senators who said there's at least 10 to 12 republican senators who are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over. sanity is contagious. >> now, the question is, is the president going to stay where he is and go, you know what? we're going to do it my way or no other way? we're going to raise it to 90 -- to 39.6%. steve rattner had a great column yesterday. >> it's a must-read. >> you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to raise over a trillion dollars in revenues. it doesn't just have to be the president's way. is the white house going to insist on the 39.6% tax rate, or will they consider the loophole part of it plus capital gains, plus a couple of other things? >> well, it looks to me like the white house has learned something over the course of the last four years which is that you don't start a negotiation by negotiating against yourself. >> right. >> you know, the
, in a statement says, elected officials from both parties need to listen to the will of the voters and focus on rebuilding the middle class and strengthening our economy by investing in jobs, not cuts. on the other side, conservatives say it's not a game changer because from unions, this is really nothing new. >> the fact they are publicly saying what they have been privately saying is helpful the american people understand where obama's intransigence comes from, but nothing's changed. >> they negotiated details this week of the grand fiscal cliff compromise that democrats and republicans hope to reach. lawmakers back in town neex week, and there's a meeting loosely scheduled in the white house against top democrats and republicans in congress with president obama. dagen? dagen: thank you so much, happy thanksgiving, my man. down in washington, d.c., but here in studio with my, monica crowely, author of "what the bleep just happened?" how do they have influence over the white house and represent in terms of the private job market a tiny sliver of employees in the country? >> it really is inc
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